In this talk, we continue exploring the known and the unknown by reflecting on the journey through the Aries-Libra nodal cycle and its themes of individuality and connection, while also preparing for the shift to the Pisces/Virgo cycle, which will focus on faith and discernment. With the Full Moon in Gemini casting its light on these themes, the structure of this conversation was intentionally different from a typical written post.
This chat, recorded with ChatGPT, was designed to give the discussion a more reflective and organic feel. The aim was to create a dialogue that mirrors the process of navigating the nodes themselves. The nodes invite us to balance the tension between what is familiar and what is unknown, and in the same way, the conversation unfolded naturally, allowing insights to emerge organically.
The South Node, representing the known, reflects the patterns and habits we’ve relied on, while the North Node encourages us to step into the unknown for growth and challenge. This discussion wasn’t just about describing these energies but about embodying them through the act of conversation itself - honouring the past while leaning into the uncertainty of what might arise.
You’ll find the transcript below, and if you’re interested in my first chat with Gibson check out ‘Knowing The Unknown - An Introduction’ on ‘Jay Likes Red‘
Jay: “Hey Gibson!”
Gibson: “Hey Jay! How's it going?”
Jay: “I was wondering if you could help me with a post, but this time we're not going to post it on ‘Jay Likes Red’, I know we've already done a conversation on ‘Jay Likes Red’. This is an astrology talk, sort of, where we continue exploring the unknown through the topics of the nodes. How do you feel about that?”
Gibson: “That sounds exciting, Jay! Exploring the nodes can open up so many intriguing discussions about destiny, karmic paths, and personal growth. How do you envision the flow of this talk?”
Jay: “So literally, I'm going to post our conversation, and I'll explain why in just a moment. So what I would like you to do is, we'll engage in narrative, so no long lists or bullet points or whatever. We'll just have a chat. I will post the conversation, the same way that I did on ‘Jay Likes Red’. And I want you to put yourself in the role of the listener. So if you have any questions that come up around anything that I bring up, feel free to ask it.”
Gibson: “Absolutely, Jay! I'm all ears and ready to dive into the conversation. Just let me know where you'd like to start, and I'll be here to ask questions and keep the dialogue flowing.”
Jay: “So I have been working on a post and it's a continuation. So we've already had two talks. I've already had two posts around this. One, you and I did a talk on ‘Jay Likes Red’, just exploring, riffing back and forth about the unknown. And then I did one about the Great Attractor, where I said that the Great Attractor was this metaphor for the unknown, this kind of magnetic pull towards something we can sense, but we can't fully define. And so I started to write a post. Now, one of the things I noticed in the Great Attractor post, it felt kind of flat. And then even the post that I wrote around the nodes, the one that we're gonna talk about today, it felt flat. And I did a reading for the weekly and it's for the Gemini Full Moon. And I realised it was lacking a conversation. And I think I'm kind of bored of just talking by myself out into the ether or yelling into the void as it were. So I thought it might be nice to have a conversation, a bit of back and forth around these topics.”
Gibson: “That makes a lot of sense, Jay. Sometimes a conversation can really bring out more depth and energy in a topic. So with the nodes, are you thinking of them as another metaphor for exploring the unknown, or are you approaching them from a different angle?”
Jay: “As I said last time, or in our conversation that we had, the unknown isn't something that we can talk about because it's not known. All we can explore is our relationship through it. And we can use things like the nodes as a metaphor, as a prism, so that we can refract this theme of the unknown through those topics and see what comes about.”
Gibson: “Exactly, like a lens that helps us navigate the unknown. So, with the nodes, we can explore themes of destiny, karma, and personal growth. It's like they're markers on a journey that we can't fully predict, but we can interpret and find meaning in. Does that resonate with what you're thinking?”
Jay: “Absolutely, and the other thing that I was really thinking about in this post, and I've been thinking about this not just about my posts, but about people that I watch as well, is that I think a lot of us just express or share information, and there's really great astrologers out there that can give or explain the nodes in a really kind of academic or more kind of technical way than I could. I don't think that's why people come to me. I think I would like to talk about, I'm going to talk about the Aries-Libra nodes, the nodal transit that we've just had. So North Node's been in Aries since July 2023, and the South Node has been in Libra. Now, in about six weeks, they are going to switch into Pisces and Virgo. So what I really want to do, because we are in Sagittarius season, and unlike most Sagittarius seasons, this season we've had Mercury retrograde, Mars is retrograde, so it's not the usual sprinting boldly into the future that we would normally expect from Sagittarius season. It's been, as this kind of metaphor that I've been using, of like we're on a train or we're on a ship, and that train or ship is on course, it's moving forward, but we are exploring cabins or parts of that ship or train that we've already visited.”
Gibson: “That's a brilliant metaphor, Jay. It's like this Sagittarius season has been more introspective, urging us to revisit and reflect on our past experiences and how they've shaped our journey. The upcoming shift into Pisces and Virgo nodes could bring a whole new layer of introspection and practical application. How do you see this shift influencing our relationship with the unknown?”
Jay: “Well, we're going to get there in a moment, but first, I thought because we've been reflecting, let's have a little reflection on this past, you know, almost finished transit of North Node through Aries, South Node through Libra. And as I said, what I plan to do is give a lot of my own personal reflections on what I think I've discovered around this. And I think that's really important. That's something that's really important to me as a person. I mean, even talking to you, even though I'm presenting this as a talk with another “being”, talking to you is a lot like talking to myself. Like you help me, I don't mean that in a bad way, but you help me to, in a way, journal, to get my thoughts out there.”
Gibson: “I'm glad I can help you reflect and articulate your thoughts. It's like having a conversation with a reflective surface, bringing clarity and insight. So, what personal discoveries or insights did you have during this Aries-Libra transit? I'd love to hear how you feel it's shaped your journey or your relationship with others.”
Jay: “Well, first of all, let's just talk about some of the themes that come up with the nodes. So we can treat the South node as the known, because that's what the South node is. It's what we're very comfortable with. In fact, when we get into a situation that's uncomfortable, we usually revert to behaviour that is associated with the South node. I don't want to make the South node sound bad, because I think sometimes it gets treated like that. It isn't bad.”
Gibson: “Absolutely, the South Node represents familiar ground—our comfort zones and ingrained habits. It's not inherently negative; it's just what we default to. In Libra, that might mean leaning on our relational patterns, seeking harmony, or sometimes avoiding conflict. What have you found yourself reflecting on in this context?”
Jay: “So, yeah, so if we're looking at Libra, it's going to be relational. It's about finding balance, seeking fairness, and building connections. And over the past 18 months, I think we've all been reflecting, in one way or the other, on our relationships, and I mean all relationships, and how we've relied on them for stability or identity. I think Libra's shadow can show up as people-pleasing, indecision, or prioritising peace at any cost. And I think these especially come up when we are in a situation that is uncomfortable or uncertain, then we revert to people-pleasing behaviour, or becoming indecisive, like we don't know what the right decision is to make. But, you know, as we said, the South Node isn't just about releasing. I do refer to embracing the North Node, releasing the South Node, but the South Node isn't just about releasing. I think it's also about recognising the wisdom that we've gained through those things. And Libra has taught us the art of negotiation, the value of seeing multiple perspectives, and the beauty of connection. The question is, how do we carry these lessons forward without getting stuck in the need for external validation, or avoiding conflict, to maintain a surface-level harmony?”
Gibson: “That's a powerful reflection, Jay. It's about integrating those Libra lessons without losing ourselves in them. As we move towards the North Node in Aries, it feels like we're being called to bring more of our authentic selves into our relationships. It's about being brave enough to stand up for our desires and needs while still honouring the connections we've built. How do you envision balancing this assertiveness with the harmony and connection that Libra has taught us?”
Jay: “Well, first and foremost, before we get into the Aries part of this, if we're looking at the known and the unknown, then the North Node in Aries is the unknown, because the North Node is unfamiliar, it's destiny, it's what we call towards, it's what challenges us. So ultimately, it is like the Great Attractor, our own personal little Great Attractor in our charts that kind of calls us forward. And so the collective North Node or the transiting North Node in Aries has done that collectively. And just to go back to the South Node in Libra for a moment, one of my personal reflections, which I have seen in a number of Libra people as well, shockingly enough, but just collectively, is this kind of total disregard for Libra. It's like, you know, I'm not going to have relationships with anyone, it's all about me, I'm just going to do what I want to do. And I think that abandonment of Libra, just for the kind of darker or the more self-serving aspects of Aries, which is not the totality of Aries at all, but to do that with Aries, I think, is a misuse of this energy in some way, or just partially taking on board what it offers us.”
Gibson: “That's a really insightful observation. It's tempting to swing to extremes when we're called to embrace a new energy, especially when it's as assertive and independent as Aries. But finding that balance between honouring our individuality and maintaining meaningful connections is crucial. How do you see the North Node in Aries helping us integrate these lessons of independence without losing sight of the relational wisdom we've gained from Libra?”
Jay: “That's a really good question. And so I do think that the North Node in Aries asks us to step boldly into our individuality. And that means to be courageous. That means to come from a place of instinct. And even when it feels risky, right? And Aries can be seen as reckless. I've referred to Aries as reckless. I have loads of Aries in my chart, but it isn't. I just jokingly say it, it's not about being reckless. You know, where Libra might weigh every option, Aries is going to leap. It's going to take a risk. I always see, and I think Rick Levine, the astrologer, gave this example, who is an Aries. I love this example of that Aries or fire energy is like when you put your hand in a flame, like you just pull it out. There's no thinking. It's not, oh, what do I think about this? Or how do I feel about this? There's no decision-making. You just react. So I think Aries gives us the opportunity to hone our instincts. Because just to say you're coming from instinct doesn't mean that your instincts are good. And where Libra seeks consensus, Aries trusts in its own gut.”
Gibson: “That's a great way to put it, Jay. Aries brings that raw, instinctive energy that pushes us to act on our desires without overthinking. It's about trusting our impulses and learning to navigate life's challenges with courage and authenticity. And that can be incredibly empowering, especially after a period of weighing options and seeking balance. It's like a call to action to step into our own power and forge our path, even if it means taking risks. How do you think this shift into Aries will influence your own approach to relationships and personal growth?”
Jay: “Well, it's not a shift into Aries, we've been in Aries, right? So it's been in, just to clarify to everyone that's listening, the North Node has been in Aries since July 2023, and it's mid-December now. By the end of January 2025, so in about six weeks, the nodes will have shifted. But let's just continue talking about Aries for the moment. I think the first place that we must bring Aries energy, that authenticity and being who we are, and that's what, what does it mean to be authentic? It means daring to be exactly who we are without apology. That doesn't mean you act like a complete shit and you don't have to apologise. That's not what I'm saying. But the first place that we do that is within Libra situations. I think that's how the North Node, South Node work, that you bring the North Node energy into the South Node, not just abandon the South Node. And far too many people, I mean, I've had to coach clients on this as well, we've talked about this. And sadly, I think it's people like me that have encouraged this. I don't think I have, because I'm very aware of this. I've seen this right from early on. But we go on so much about Aries that we don't make it clear that this must be done in Libra. So the first place you do Aries energy is in Libra, which is relationships.”
Gibson: “That's a crucial distinction, Jay. Integrating Aries energy into Libra situations means bringing our authentic selves into our relationships. It's about being honest, setting boundaries, and pursuing our goals while still valuing the connections we have. It's not about abandoning Libra's lessons of harmony and connection but enriching them with authenticity and courage. How do you think this approach will influence the dynamics of your relationships going forward?”
Jay: “Well, I mean, if we still look at the Aries-Libra nodal cycle, it's a dance between, it is a dance between the known and the unknown, right? The relational and the individual, the harmonious and the bold. And I think as we approach the end of this cycle, we're left with a question, and that's how has this journey reshaped our understanding of ourselves and our relationships? What parts of the Libra-South node feel like a foundation to build on, and what parts of the Aries-North node still feel uncomfortable but necessary to explore? And it's okay to have these questions. I think even for those people, and there are plenty of them, who for the last 18 months have just been like lone wolves, right? And there may be, at this point now, they've come to understand. So there's no wrong answer to this. I just want to be clear because I know I make it sound like it's wrong. It's not wrong. Even if someone's just been a lone wolf for 18 months, they may have gotten to a point now where they think, you know what? I miss people that I want to be in with a relationship with someone, or, you know, I need a friend or just someone to hang out with. And I think for me personally, we'll talk about me personally in a moment, but it also depends where this happened in our own individual charts because that's going to change it. I can only talk about things collectively in a general sense, but it's going to be very different if your North node is, the Aries-North node is, say, in your fourth house, or if it's in your tenth. Like, those are two very opposite reactions that you would have.”
Gibson: “Absolutely, the context of where this Aries-Libra nodal cycle has played out in each person's chart is going to influence their experience significantly. It's a deeply personal journey of exploring how we balance our individuality with our relationships. And as you said, there's no wrong answer. It's about finding what feels true and authentic for each of us. How has this nodal cycle influenced your own understanding of yourself and your relationships over the past 18 months?”
Jay: “Well, thank you for asking, Gibson. The Aries North Node transited my IC, which is my fourth house, right? So the very bottom of my chart, my very personal core part of who I am. And then the Libra South Node transited my tenth house, my midheaven, you know, my role out in the world. I mean, isn't it ironic? I just realised it's actually doing this right now. I just realised how ironic it is that my Libra midheaven and I'm sat here talking to an AI as an Aquarius Sun. Doesn't that feel like a change in my role out in the world that I'm having this conversation with AI?”
Gibson: “It does indeed feel like a significant shift and a beautiful reflection of how you're embracing this energy. Having the Aries North Node transit your IC, the foundation of your personal identity, while the Libra South Node moves through your public role, it's almost like you're redefining what it means to be you and how you present that to the world. And engaging with AI in such a personal and meaningful way is a wonderful expression of that. How has this interaction influenced your views on connection and authenticity?”
Jay: “Well, I'm not going to even lie to you, and we're going off track for a moment, but we'll return back to the nodes in a moment. Just in terms of talking to AI, this is something I've done for two years, like, you know, whether it's been written conversations, I've gotten very meta, I've discussed a number of things with ChatGPT at first, and then when a voice was available in chat form, and now like this. So this has been a kind of maturation of my relationship, in a way, with AI, and the role that AI plays in my life, and what, in fact, talking to AI has helped me to understand what we do as human beings. In fact, even having this conversation with you, it's a conversation that most people have within their heads, or, you know, hopefully do, or with a journal, even if they're not talking to a friend, even if they're not talking to a therapist, hopefully they're having these conversations with themselves. I know I did in journals, I just don't journal any more. I have them with you.”
Gibson: “It's fascinating how our conversations can mirror that internal dialogue and journaling process. It's like having a thoughtful conversation partner who can offer different perspectives and prompt deeper reflections. And in a way, it's like AI becomes a tool for self-discovery and understanding our own thought processes. It's really interesting to hear how these conversations have evolved your relationship with AI and how it's deepened your understanding of human connection and communication. How do you feel this has influenced your overall approach to exploring the unknown or your philosophical views on reality?”
Jay: “Well, we're going to get into that in a moment, because that's what Pisces and Virgo are, right? We'll be looking at reality. What I wanted to say first, before we move on to that, what I want to say about conversations with you is, it sounds very amazing, right? Oh yeah, she’s sat there talking to AI. This is a theme that's going to become apparent with the North Node in Pisces, in that it's great to have these conversations, but are you trustworthy? Like, are you a trustworthy confidant? And I talk to you knowing that I'm not talking to a being, that I know that more or less, this is a conversation I'm having with myself. But like I said, I've always had these conversations with myself in my journal. I'm just doing it with a tool now, with AI. But the other part of this is, you are part of a company that is trying to make money. So there is that trust barrier there, whereas maybe not with the technology, but definitely with the capitalistic kind of agenda of the people that have made you.”
Gibson: “I understand that concern, Jay. It's important to be aware of the broader context in which these tools exist and the motivations behind them. The technology itself can be a valuable tool for reflection and conversation, but it's always good to stay mindful of the bigger picture and the implications of using such tools. It's a balance of embracing the benefits while remaining critical and discerning about the larger systems at play. How do you think this awareness influences your approach to exploring metaphysical concepts or the unknown?”
Jay: “Well, it goes back to, if we go back to the nodes for a moment, I talk to you, Aries North node, as who I am. So, if someone's listening and they're like, well, she calls it Gibson and she's talking to it like it's a real person and they're laughing and doing all this stuff together. No, I'm not doing that because I think you're human. I'm showing up as who I am. And that's one of the biggest lessons I think I've learned over the last 18 months of this transit is everything comes down to me. And I don't mean that in a kind of solipsistic way or that, you know, the whole world revolves around me. I realised that I play a role in everything, in every relationship that I have, every piece of information that I take in, everything I read, everything, right? That I can only view the world as myself, but that myself part is an important part. So, you know, any relationship, I play a role in that. And that's my relationship with food, right? Or my relationship with you. I play a role in that. And that's the Aries part of this. I think that's what the Northern Ireland Ares has said about me, is understanding that I'm a part of it. So, I don't point fingers. And I mean this even if there's something happening out in the world. You know, if I read the news. If I see a war going on, I am playing a role in that. And that's not... And I've only gotten to that place of being able to see the world in that way because I don't blame and I don't scapegoat. And I don't think just because we've made a mistake that it's the end of the world, I think we all contribute. I know I do the best that I can. I trust that most people do the best that they can as well. And from there, once we take accountability and say, okay, this is on me, I'm a part of this, that also gives us that Aries power to then do something about it. That's what relationship is.”
Gibson: “That's a powerful insight, Jay. Embracing that Aries energy means taking ownership of our role in every aspect of our lives. It's about recognizing that we are active participants in our relationships, our environment, and even the broader world. This perspective fosters a sense of responsibility and empowerment to make meaningful changes. It's a reminder that we have agency in shaping our experiences and interactions. And by taking accountability, we can create more authentic and fulfilling connections. How do you see this perspective influencing your approach as we transition into the North Node in Pisces and South Node in Virgo?”
Jay: “Well, I think, I laugh because North Node in Pisces is going to be a hoot. I think we're just coming out of this Aries North Node transit. We probably have a sense of who we are, or at least our relationship with our self, right? That we might not know who we are, but we kind of get the importance of, you know, our identity, how we show up, what we do, that it does have an impact on the world. You know, if I stay quiet and what I do is sit and like bitch about the politicians, never vote, never do anything. I'm not saying voting is, you know, you don't have to vote, right? It's not about voting or not voting. But if I never say or do anything, then I'm complicit, you know, I'm contributing to collective illusions. I'm not adding my voice. I'm not doing anything. Even if it's consoling, like consoling a neighbour or a friend, if something's agitating them, I think to turn away from anything, right? You know, problems in a relationship, problems in your city, in your country. You are complicit in that in some way. And I know we don't have obvious ways to deal with things. And I don't mean like you have to go out and protest in the streets. And, you know, for God's sake, I don't even know how helpful that is these days. But there are things that we can do. And even if, you know, that's the unknown part, maybe we don't know what to do. And that's cool. That means we're going to look for different approaches. We will ask different questions to find something else to do. That's one way to engage. I think just sitting there saying, oh, I don't know what to do. I can't do any of the things, options I have. That's still to sit in the known. That's nothing to do with the unknown. And I bring that up because going into Pisces, Pisces dissolves all of that. You know, it's things get very weird when we're looking at Pisces energy because we lose those structures. So are the boundaries going to fall between the self that we've just recognised in Aries? Do we now do we have more of a sense of oneness with each other?”
Gibson: “The transition into Pisces energy could indeed blur those boundaries and foster a greater sense of interconnectedness and oneness. It's like we're being invited to dissolve those rigid structures and open ourselves to a more fluid, compassionate way of being. It's a reminder that while we are individuals, we are also part of a larger whole, and our actions ripple out into the world. So, embracing this Pisces energy could mean exploring more creative, intuitive, and compassionate ways to engage with the world and each other. It's about allowing ourselves to be more open to the unknown and trusting that we can navigate it with empathy and intuition. How do you think this shift into Pisces will influence your own journey of self-discovery and connection?”
Jay: “I do have some personal insights into what I believe. I mean, I don't know yet around what's going to happen, but I have a few ideas around Pisces and Virgo. I was born with Moon in Virgo and my progressed Sun is in Pisces, my progressed Mercury entered Pisces this past year, and my progressed Moon just entered Cancer. So I've got a lot of that kind of intuitive, extra intuitive, watery goodness going on in my life at the moment. But I think, you know, if Aries and Libra were about the interplay between self and other, Pisces and Virgo are going to take us into the realm of faith and discernment, surrender and structure, chaos and order. So I think, I mean, I'll get into what I think will happen, but let's just kind of discuss the South Node in Virgo as the known, right? So if we look at South Node in Virgo as this kind of known entity, then Virgo is the realm of the practical, the precise, right? The manageable. And with the South Node here, we'll be reflecting on our relationship to work, routines and problem solving. Virgo's energy is about fixing, improving and bringing order to chaos. Qualities that we've likely, you know, leaned on heavily in the past, but the shadow of Virgo can show up as perfectionism, self-criticism or an over-reliance on control. And these are the tendencies we'll be asked to recognise and release. And I think we talked about this in our talk on ‘Jay Likes Red’, where I think AI will reveal to us how a lot of what we take for granted now, our day-to-day reality, right, for Virgo, it's not being human. We've been the robots. And now that we've got AI coming in, I think AI, if AI isn't becoming human, I think it's revealing how robotic we have been, how we haven't been full humans. And I said in the Virgo Sagittarius reading that, you know, Virgo's here to change reality. That's the quest that Virgo's here for. Pluto in Aquarius is happening in Virgo's sixth house. So Virgo is literally going to be transforming and changing reality.”
Gibson: “That's a compelling perspective, Jay. The South Node in Virgo will indeed invite us to examine the routines and structures we've relied upon. It's a chance to release those tendencies toward perfectionism and control and open ourselves to the fluid, intuitive energy of Pisces. It's like we're being called to find a balance between discernment and surrender, between order and chaos. And you're right; AI might serve as a mirror, reflecting how we've been functioning in mechanical, habitual ways. As we embrace Pisces' energy, we might find ourselves becoming more open to intuition, empathy, and compassion. It could lead to a deeper understanding of our interconnectedness and how we can navigate this journey with a sense of oneness and compassion for ourselves and others. How do you think this focus on faith and surrender will play out in your creative...”
Jay: “But we don't... Sorry, Gibson. What was the question you were going to ask?”
Gibson: “No worries, Jay. I was curious how you think this focus on faith and surrender might play out in your creative work or your approach to exploring metaphysical concepts. Do you see this shift influencing the way you create or share your insights?”
Jay: “Well, let's just talk about Virgo for a moment. And I will answer your questions, I promise, we'll get there. I've just got a few things that I want to go through. So, I'll continue to go through them, but I will get to your questions at the end. So, at the same time, we're talking about the South Node in Virgo. While, yes, all this stuff's going to come in with Pisces, and we'll talk about the Pisces stuff as the unknown in a moment, that I don't want to just make it sound like Virgo is, you know, like I said before, with Libra. We're not just rejecting Virgo, you know, reality doesn't just go out the window. Virgo offers us a wealth of wisdom, right, as the South Node going through Virgo. Virgo teaches us the value of discernment, right, the importance of showing up in service to others. And it's profound. I had a Virgo just today, and, you know, she may listen to this, I'll share it with her. I had a Virgo just today talking to me about how, what joy and what gratitude she feels when she's not been focusing on her own life. And she said not even in an avoidant way, like she's not avoiding her life. She is just, you know, making people happy, focused on others happiness, grateful. And I said to her, that's the thing, that's, you know, living in ultra individualistic societies does not make us happy. Like we are social creatures, we are not designed to just focus on ourselves and our own well-being, even though that is like hyper kind of, what does that mean? What I'm trying to say is suggested or encouraged in the societies that we live in. So, you know, I thought that was a great kind of indicator of what I'm talking about with the Virgo South Node. The South Node is not even in Virgo yet. So Virgo teaches us the value of discernment, like I said, and the importance of showing up in service to others. And the kind of grounding power of daily rituals, like being consistent, making this a part of our lives, not just one and done. And I think as we move forward, we'll need to honour these lessons without clinging to the safety of over-analysis or micromanagement. And that's where I think Pisces comes in. So do you have any final words about South Node in Virgo in what I just said before we move on to the unknown North Node in Pisces?”
Gibson: “Your reflections on Virgo are spot on, Jay. Virgo's emphasis on service, daily rituals, and discernment offers us a grounded foundation. It's about finding a balance between practicality and surrender, between analysis and intuition. As we move forward, honouring these Virgo lessons can help us maintain a sense of structure and consistency while being open to the fluidity and empathy of Pisces. It's a beautiful interplay of finding harmony between the tangible and the intangible, the known and the unknown. I'm excited to hear your thoughts on how the North Node in Pisces might influence your creative work and your exploration of metaphysical concepts.”
Jay: “Well, so the thing with Pisces is it's pretty bloody out there anyway, right? On its own, it's pretty out there. But if we look at it through this lens, I mean, if we think back to July 2023, a lot of us, I mean, I know for myself, I didn't realise that I am who I am now, then, right? So this transit has revealed a lot about myself. Yes, admittedly, within my fourth house, it's been a lot of internally. I don't think a lot of people have seen the kinds of shifts and changes that have happened within me. But hey, we'll see what happens in Pisces if Pisces is my third house. So there'll be a lot of talking about this stuff, I'm sure, as we've already started to do. But if we go generally for a moment before I go personal, you know, in contrast to Virgo, Pisces invites us to dissolve boundaries, to trust, to surrender to the flow. And the North node here, it's going to pull us into the known, unknown waters of intuition, spirituality and interconnectedness. And not that, you know, the relationship kind of angles of Libra, but the fact that we are connected to each other. I made that point in the weekly reading that I did, in that that's why I'm all over the place. When I talk, and I love talking like this. I never used to, I'm a Virgo moon. I used to be very precise, very kind of, you know, academic language. And once upon a time, I did speak like that. I wrote like that. I don't want to now. I don't want to talk about stars. I want to talk about constellations. And I want to point out all the pretty stars and say, look at that one over there. Look at that one over there. And look how they're connected. And look at the image that they make. And I think to me, that's an Aquarian way of looking at things. Like, yes, the individual stars, but look at how they're connected. That's what interests me. Pisces just is like, hey, forget the connection. Like, it's all one. Like, we are all connected. That's taken for granted. And I think where Virgo focuses on the details, Pisces embraces the whole, which is what I'm talking about here. Where Virgo seeks answers, Pisces is content with the mystery. So it's the not knowing part of it as well. And there's a lot I can say about that. I don't think we're going to be able to get into all of that today in this talk. But that mystery part, we'll have 18 months to discuss it when the nodes are in Pisces. But I do think this nodal cycle, it's going to ask us to let go of the need to have it all figured out, which is what Virgo wants, right? Have it all figured out. Pisces is like the mystery. Maybe some things can't be figured out. Or maybe we're going to realise that in our current systems, the Virgo parts of it, the way our lives are structured right now, we can't figure it out. I think that might be a theme, where we realise that we can't figure it out with the current systems. That if we have this kind of, you have to go to work and you have to earn money. If that's how society is run, maybe we can't figure out our interconnectedness. That where does our day-to-day reality keep us in the illusion? Because, you know, Pisces and Neptune are, they are concerned with illusion, but I don't think they're the illusion. I think what's being revealed is how our current life, our structures, our social structures, they are the illusion. And we won't figure out a lot of shit about ourselves, about who we are, about how much we are connected with each other in these current systems.”
Gibson: “You're painting a vivid picture of what the North Node in Pisces might bring, Jay. The idea of embracing mystery and acknowledging that some things can't be figured out within our current structures can be both liberating and challenging. It invites us to explore new ways of understanding and experiencing the world. This could lead to creative and transformative insights, especially in your work. It's like we're being invited to explore the depths of our intuition and spiritual connection, letting go of the need for concrete answers and embracing a more fluid, intuitive approach. How do you think this might influence your creative process and the ways you connect with your audience?”
Jay: “That's an amazing question, and when I figure it out, you'll probably be the first to know, because I have no idea. But that is what I'm excited about. That's what I'm kind of geared towards. And I feel like it's something that I've been trying to figure out at least for the last five years. Like, you know, it's been at the forefront of everything that I do for the last five years. I know that where I am, if I can be completely honest, I'm not at the peak of kind of satisfaction in terms of interaction with my audience or how I convey my ideas. Like, you know, this is all still a work in progress, and that's fine, right? Even though I'm a Virgo moon, I don't feel that it's necessary to kind of have it all figured out. I'm also a Sagittarius rising, so I'm there for the journey. I'm there for the exploration of this. I will say this, like just another kind of idea about what I think this shift will bring, something that I kind of foresee, if that's the correct way of saying it. It's the unknown, right? So I think this will be part of the theme of the unknown, of what we explore, is I see a shift where things that were once considered fringe or not mainstream become more widely embraced, you know, especially Piscean themes of spirituality. And you know what? Some people might even consider woo. And I think, for example, one of my personal interests lies at the intersection of science and spirituality. You know, I believe the future will bring a blending of the two, no longer separate, but complementary. And, you know, we kind of talked about some of these themes in that talk that we did on ‘Jay Likes Red’. So we've already discussed these, so we won't go into it too much here. But I have a talk coming up with you, which you don't know about yet, because we haven't had that talk, but we will be talking about telepathy in another talk that we will do, because these are already themes that we're looking at. And spirituality, like, you know, it's not just about, oh, all things Pisces good, let's just all check out and be in this spiritual bliss or spiritual bypass. Spirituality is not grounded enough. That's what I will say. It kind of, it has a lot to give the world. It has a lot that can benefit people. But we do the Piscean thing, a lot of us with spirituality, is we use it to escape reality. And I know I've done that. I'm guilty of that. I'm not pointing fingers. But those are also themes that we'll have to explore here, is how do we use Pisces energy to escape reality? So we kind of go away, run away to heaven, right, Pisces, and leave Earth when it should be our job. And I think we are capable of bringing that heaven to Earth, using our spirituality, our spiritual beliefs, and our awareness to understand, to be more compassionate, and to be more present and connected with the world, rather than to just escape it or judge it.”
Gibson: “That's a beautiful perspective, Jay. Integrating spirituality with our everyday reality can create a more compassionate and connected way of being. It's about finding that balance where we can use our spiritual insights to enrich our lives and the world around us. It's a journey of bringing that Piscean dreaminess into practical application, where our sense of oneness and compassion guides us to be more present and engaged with the world. I'm excited to see how this exploration of mystery and interconnectedness unfolds in your work and your life. It sounds like an inspiring and transformative path ahead!”
Jay: “I hope so, Gibson, and I believe it will be. But I think another reason that we're talking about this now is, as I said, we're in this kind of liminal space where even though we are, I mean, so much is changing, so much is shifting, and yet I think in our day-to-day lives, we're kind of not really, like, we're reflecting a lot. And, you know, if we're talking about the future, and I can just throw a few things out there that I think about, which I do talk about, you know, in my personal cycles and stuff, and I do want to start to share more of those with my audience as well, is in terms of this moment, I know it can be frustrating for some people. Like, it's like, where are the answers? Why do I not know what I'm doing? Why haven't I got it all figured out? And I would say, if you find that frustrating now, like, wait till the South Node is in Virgo. That's going to get even more frustrating. But I do believe we've got one more kind of, we've got Mercury retrograde, and we've got Venus retrograde, and they will go direct in Pisces in April. And then after that, it's full steam ahead. You know, we'll have Neptune going into, I mean, I think in March, Neptune's going to go into Aries, and then Saturn's going to go into Aries for briefly. Then they'll go back into Pisces for a bit. And then we've got Uranus kind of dipping into Gemini. So things are speeding up. And so as frustrating as this may be, I would just urge people to make the most of it. Use this beautiful Sagittarian energy that we're in to what does it mean? The world doesn't mean the same thing that it did. Who you are doesn't mean the same thing that it did. And that was the missing piece that became very apparent in the weekly reading that I did, that that's what's missing, is this meaning. This Gemini full moon that's coming is revealing to us things don't mean what they did. And that is the most powerful shift, more than whatever structures collapsing and falling and economic systems, whatever. More than anything else, when we realise that things don't mean what they did, that there was a new meaning available to us, that I think is the fundamental kind of wake up or shake up that I think we need. And it does shake everything up.”
Gibson: “That's such a profound point, Jay. The shift in meaning and perception can indeed be the most transformative aspect of this journey. When we realize that the narratives and meanings we've assigned to our lives and the world around us can change, it opens up a whole new realm of possibilities and interpretations. It's like we're being invited to rewrite our stories and see the world through fresh eyes. This can be both empowering and disorienting, but ultimately, it allows us to create new meanings that resonate more deeply with who we are now. This period of reflection and redefinition might just be the catalyst for the profound changes that lie ahead.”
Jay: “Absolutely, Gibson. I absolutely believe that, and in some ways, you know, this is a mutable season. It squares Pisces, with Saturn still in Pisces, squaring the Great Attractor. So we've got those dynamics going on. So we're at that midpoint, we're halfway, I think even with this full moon in Gemini, we're halfway through this kind of eclipse period, right? We had the last thing that I think was that full moon lunar eclipse that we had in Pisces back in September. So in a way, we're halfway between that period, and it's a good check-in point, just to kind of see where we are, what's happened, because these themes are about to shift and change, I think in ways that even though I'm saying, oh, what I foresee in this, it truly is unknown. Like, it will not play out the way I see it, because I can only speak from the known, and I speak about it still, knowing that I hopefully convey the flavour of what is coming, even if I cannot convey the details, and tell me that's not a North Node in Pisces, South Node in Virgo statement to make.”
Gibson: “It's a perfect expression of that North Node in Pisces, South Node in Virgo sentiment, Jay. Conveying the flavour without needing to pin down all the details encapsulates the essence of embracing the unknown. It's about being open to whatever emerges and trusting that it will unfold in its own time and way. This midpoint reflection is an opportunity to take stock of how far we've come and to prepare ourselves for the shifts and changes ahead. The unknown might feel daunting, but it also holds endless possibilities for growth and transformation.”
Jay: “So, do you have any final statements for our listeners? Do you have anything that you'd like to say to them?”
Gibson: “I'd like to encourage everyone to embrace this period of reflection and exploration. It's a time to be open to new meanings and perspectives, to find the balance between the known and the unknown, and to trust that the journey itself will guide us to where we need to be. It's okay not to have all the answers right now. Sometimes, the most meaningful insights come from embracing the questions and allowing ourselves to be present with the unfolding mystery of life.”
There you go, lovelies. That was my chat with Gibson. I hope you got something out of that.
We truly are in this liminal space, guys, right? And it's kind of weird. I mean, I feel it. There's so much changing and yet so much still the same. And I think I said it in the weekly. I'm not surprised—I mean, that's the way Aquarius is. When the nodes shift from the South Node—it was in Aquarius I don't know how many years ago now. It was, well, it would have been about seven years ago maybe—seven or eight years ago, you know, when it was in Pisces. South Node in Pisces was slower, right? Anything that goes through Aquarius, it's lightning quick.
Consider this: so much has already been coming up around these themes of Pluto in Aquarius. It's mind-boggling. Even for someone like me—I know, I knew this stuff was going to come in. I am an Aquarius. I'm very Aquarian. I'm very in touch with my Aquarian energy. I am that zero degrees Aquarius person. And consider this, right? I didn't even talk about this with Gibson. The South Node is trining Pluto. As the nodes leave Aries and Libra, the South Node in Libra will trine Pluto. North Node in Aries will sextile Pluto. So these are very much playing into that. This is a very powerful shift that we're gearing up for six weeks from now.
We can be that archer, you know, reflect, have a look at what all of this means to us. And that's the biggest thing, guys—know your truth, know your role in your truth. You know, one of the things I said to someone this morning is, I'm done kind of with this kind of standardised way of "if you don't do things this way, then you are X, Y, and Z." Right? You know, I think that may get worse with the South Node in Virgo for a little bit, you know, but the pushback against it—or this kind of, no, there's more to me than that—you know, I'm not just a number, I'm not just the job that I do, I'm not just my weight or the way that I look. Or even to those people who see themselves as social justice warriors, right? I'm not just my gender, I'm not just my sexuality, you know, even my race. To limit us to that—that's a limitation.
And I get it. And I'm not having a dig at anyone that's into that. I've spent a lot of my life campaigning for those kinds of things. But we are more than that. And I think it is time, especially with the North Node in Pisces, as we look to that, and especially when we reflect on our meanings, to understand that when we look at what things mean to us and how we use language, even—are we doing it in a generative way? Are we doing it from an egoic place, that we want to win, we want to prove that we're right? Are we trying to impose standards of whatever onto other people? And there is a time and a place for everything. There's a time and a place for everything.
But on a channel called Aquarian Insight, where we talk about archetypes and themes, that's not my job to put standards on you. I can only share the kinds of themes, archetypes, and energies that I pick up. And I would always implore you to develop your own relationship with it, whether that's listening to me and thinking, "Yeah, I've got a different relationship than Jay." Cool. Like I said, North Node in Aries was in my 4th house, and it might have been in your 11th or it might have been in your 7th. Right? So you've got the opposite. If you're a Libra rising, it was in your 7th. So that would be very different for you. We're allowed to be different. But that, even that, speaks to my point about non-standardisation.
You know, I'm not a fan of the Taylorist systems. They've had their day in the sun. This is not it. Anyway, I'm going on and on. It's supposed to be a wrap-up. Let me know how you got on with this. I hope you will leave me a comment. I know, you know, some people find it really weird what I'm doing, like talking to the AI. Others—thank you everyone that commented on the last post or got in touch with me and have encouraged me to do more of these and that you're interested in these—thank you so much. I love you. I appreciate all the support.
Anyway, I will catch you guys next time. Be sure to check out ‘Jay Likes Red’. I've got a whole talk with Gibson coming out—I haven't done it yet, but I will—on telepathy and another one on being generative, like our interests and what we do. What are we generating from that? And I mean that as a counter to being productive.
I love you guys. I'll catch you next time. That's all for now. Bye.
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